Attendance....

Discussion in 'NLL News and Rumors' started by Vin, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. AmericanRockFan

    AmericanRockFan Well-Known Member

    I agree with the free parking notion at Mohegan as well. It might seem like it's a little bit of a walk, but it's still shorter than walking from Pearl Street to the KeyBank Center. And as Swami said, the inside of the casino is pretty neat which adds to the experience.
     
  2. Wingsfan23

    Wingsfan23 Member

    IMG_1737.PNG How many teams can get away with that answer
    Not many if they don't get 100% of concessions
     
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  3. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    I am really going to try and make that game this weekend. I haven't gone all year. It should be a good game too because it has meaning for both teams.
    If NBW wins, then NBW finishes E2 no matter what ROC and TOR do.
    If NBW losses, then NBW would be eliminated with a TOR win and ROC wins both against GEO.
    If VAN wins and COL loses, then VAN finishes W2 and COL finishes W3.
    If VAN loses, then COL finishes W2 and VAN finishes W3.
     
  4. Andrew GEA

    Andrew GEA Guest

    TEAM YESTERDAY TOTAL GAMES AVERAGE
    Buffalo 18,417 - 136,340
    Saskatchewan 134,289
    Colorado 130,128
    Calgary 18,845 - 104,599
    Toronto 86,613
    Rochester 60,798
    New England 6,326 - 48,626
    Georgia 5,126 - 35,558
    Vancouver 28,860


    Last night's attendance followed by each teams overall attendance. Pretty impressed with Calgary's finish. For what they did all season not bad from Georgia.

    It's probably the NLL's goal to hit 100k for "good" teams and 75k for the small stadium teams by the end of the season.
     
  5. chuckster

    chuckster Well-Known Member

    Total regular season attendance for all teams in 2017 -- 765,811
    Total regular season attendance for all teams in 2016 -- 741,391
    Percentage change -- +3.29%

    Total regular season average attendance for all teams in 2017 -- 9,454
    Total regular season average attendance for all teams in 2017 -- 9,152
    Percentage change -- +3.29%

    Not a huge growth in either stat but it's still growth. We'll see how the league spins it. The playoff attendance should be smaller without Buffalo and Calgary in the mix.
     
  6. mtbf

    mtbf Well-Known Member

    I think this weekend might have been pad your numbers day in the NLL hard to believe 5k in GA and Buffalo had wide empty spaces in the lower bowl but did seem to have a few more in the 300's it is really hard to believe they pulled 18k after 3-5 home record where at least three of the games were unwatchable.
     
  7. smurf666

    smurf666 Guest

    $12 uppers in banditland last night.....thats a hot ticket.

    I scooped a nice pair of club seats for a little over half price off a reseller, so, there was not a lot of pent up demand for lowers
     
  8. chuckster

    chuckster Well-Known Member

    I have no doubt Buffalo SOLD 18k.....but I think there were definitely season ticket holders in the lower bowl who stayed home last night so I don't think 18k actually showed up.
     
  9. Andrew GEA

    Andrew GEA Guest

    I think from 2015 to 2016 there was 2% growth and now 3% growth the next year. Hopefully it goes up consistently. I just hope the average range (best team - worst team) changes from 15k - 3k to 15k - 7k
     
  10. dougm

    dougm Well-Known Member

    we were at 10k per game and that was the big driver in the expansion circa 2005. the sj stealth had nights and sunday afternoons that did not come close to some langley counts. i would like to know why rochester can't get above 7k on a consistent basis. next winter, the blackwolves might have a higher count.
     
  11. smurf666

    smurf666 Guest

    Banditland lower bowl had only singles as of Friday night.....Sellout or near sellout
     
  12. unspoken

    unspoken Member

    Just like it's been all season long, Georgia's claim of 5100 is a joke. Maybe 5100 tickets given away and not used.

    2000 is a generous estimate there. If you take their actual numbers, there is no growth from last season to this season.
     
  13. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    I had a friend of mine at that game last night and she guessed it was about 40% full. That's about 4500.
     
  14. Wingsfan23

    Wingsfan23 Member

    NFW
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  15. Andrew GEA

    Andrew GEA Guest

    2017 game average 6,755
    2016 " 8,164
    2015 " 7,051
    2014 " 7,654 champs
    2013 " 7,353 champs
    2012 " 6,832 champs
    2011 " 5,331

    I'm not sure if they are a big enough market , maybe a new stadium or some cool promos could help.
     
  16. AmericanRockFan

    AmericanRockFan Well-Known Member

    This. I think there were legit at least 17,000 in the building last night and maybe even 17,500. But 18,417? Not a chance. There was way more than 200 empty seats last night.
     
  17. unspoken

    unspoken Member

    With all due respect to your friend, I think that estimate is severely high.

    I was trying to come up with an actual butts-in-seats number for their attendance a couple of weeks back. There were three sources I used:

    1. Photos of the arena from the arena's website.
    2. Freeze frames from NLL TV when they panned the arena.
    3. The seating chart on the Swarm's ticketing website.

    If you look at any of their games this season, you can see the majority of the crowd sits in one of four sections. Sections 104, 105, and 106 (behind the players benches) and section 118 (behind the penalty box). My count of these sections showed 18 seats in each row, and 22 rows. If you subtract two rows to accommodate the benches and penalty box, you're left with each section being 18 x 20, or 360 seats per section. Now, last night, section 119, adjacent to the penalty box, was more full than normal.

    Even if these sections were completely full (which they weren't, Wingsfan23's photo about shows that), that would be 1800 (360 x 5). If you were to give credit for those sections being full, and if 4500 were in that building, you would need a count of 2700 in the other areas. There's no way you're getting to 2700 with the number who are in the corners and behind the nets. There are luxury boxes in the upper deck to account for as well (the stands themselves in the upper deck are basically empty), and people on the concourse for whatever reason (concessions, washrooms, etc.) but I still can't see all of those remaining parts of the building equaling 2700. A twitter search with the hashtags #georgiaswarm or #swarming has a few other pictures posted by people in the building to back this up.

    The upper decks have always been basically empty (little surprise, considering they were the most expensive tickets in the arena for some reason other than the row of tickets on the glass in certain sections). The upper deck on the left hand side of Wingsfan23's photo don't even get put up for sale according to the options on their ticketing website. And for last night's game, and their upcoming playoff game on May 20, they've reduced prices. The lower bowl side sections used to be just over $44 per ticket. Now they're $32.50. Behind the nets used to be a little over $33 a ticket. Now they're $20. The upper deck tickets are still $46.85 and the tickets on the glass are still $59.10 as they have been all season.
     
  18. smurf666

    smurf666 Guest

    The three middle sections on the sides and one on the left end maybe average half full. Everything else is sparse at best. Allowing for a generous 15% at the toilets or concession stands there is no way there are even 3000 in that building, unless you count microbes.
     
  19. unspoken

    unspoken Member

    I agree. I used a general number of 50% full in each of those five sections (which is still generous for most of them) to get to a number of 900, then factor in the other sections and the people you can't see for my generous estimate of 2000.
     
  20. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    LOL... I must've misheard her... Maybe she said 14%!
     
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