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San Diego and Philly expansion 2019

Discussion in 'NLL News and Rumors' started by AFedyk, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. AFedyk

    AFedyk Guest

  2. swami24

    swami24 Well-Known Member

    Well this is good news, even if tilted only to SD as written! And, uh, duh, it would be a Wings team in Philly. It would be dumb not to revive the name. If you called the team the Flash, or Phlash to go with Philly, people would still wear their Wings gear. Trenton, NJ had a successful ECHL team, until the Devils bought them and branded the team. No one came, they wanted their own brand name. Same in Trenton, the Yankees bought the AA team and were smart to not change the name, they are still doing fine.
  3. k-hawksfan33

    k-hawksfan33 Well-Known Member

    I am skeptical of SD. I think if the ownership succeeds in building the 18.5k arena, and attracting an NHL/NBA team like they claim they want to, then the NLL has a real solid chance of succeeding. However, if those plans don't go through and the team is stuck playing at a run down minor league arena with no Big 4 teams to cross promote with, then they could be in real trouble. I'll remain optimistic but this certainly has a greater chance of being the next Georgia than the next Saskatchewan.
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  4. dougm

    dougm Well-Known Member

    once they announce tickets are on sale, i'll be buying
  5. Wings-4-Life

    Wings-4-Life Well-Known Member

    Nothing says indoor sports quite like San Diego.
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  6. AmericanRockFan

    AmericanRockFan Well-Known Member

    I can't wait for the Rock/Wings road trip in 2019 :cool:
  7. chuckster

    chuckster Well-Known Member

    The Valley View Casino Center in SD seats just under 13k for hockey and is where the AHL team plays. It could be a good start until a bigger arena is ready. And I agree......this has Georgia Swarm written all over it but as an expansion team.
  8. GoodsOnSabres

    GoodsOnSabres Member

    I'm excited to have Tsai involved though. The guy is worth 7 billion dollars. I think he can do WORLDS more promotion than the Arlottas have in Georgia. If he wants in the league, I let him put a team wherever he wants it.
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  9. Andrew GEA

    Andrew GEA Guest

    I look at it this way... If the team succeeded the league looks good and grows, but if they fail relocate to Edmonton and I get to watch games without a long drive
  10. swami24

    swami24 Well-Known Member

    I just wonder if expansion will change to purchase and relocation. Deep pocket owners would do well to purchase existing teams, which would have a better chance of hooking fans. They have the resources to make nice offers to teams that have been losing money. Purchase the franchise and rebrand it.
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2017
  11. RockStar

    RockStar Well-Known Member

    I think expansion by two or three teams can be achieved, but, if you go beyond that, there might be too many "have not" teams.

    Look at the drop off from the top half to the bottom half goaltenders today.....and then consider that every team that gets added has a guy that might be worse than no. 9, and less depth on defense.
  12. RockStar

    RockStar Well-Known Member

    So, add a couple if the situation and ownership group are there, but, otherwise, I see one very obvious relocation candidate.
  13. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    I'm not so sure anymore. Sure, Georgia had shitty numbers, but, once they reached the finals, the mainstream local media (such as the Atlanta Journal Constitution) started actually reporting and that first game of the finals had a real crowd, albeit, whatshisname was there. Nonetheless, the Swarm did win a championship which is something in a championship-starved city take notice of. So, I would expect that more media will be on-board in 2018 and attendance will rise. I don't know what the arena deal is but, regardless, I don't think they'd relocate in 2018 or 2019.
  14. swami24

    swami24 Well-Known Member

    If the attendance.stays around 3000, after a title, and assuming better media coverage, why would they stay?
  15. Dave S-C

    Dave S-C Active Member

    True. To their credit they were probably the greatest indoor soccer market in the Sockers' heyday in the 1980s and early 1990s MISL/MSL
  16. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    I agree if that number is unprofitable.
  17. smurf666

    smurf666 Guest


    if it is 3000, it might be profitable.

    if it is 3,000 like their standard announcing practice says it's 3000, it is far less likely to be profitable.

    even if it is a real 3000, i have my doubts. Even the arena was free, their operating costs probably still resemble $2 million. Gotta make $200K+ every home game to float this without dipping into your own pocket.

    ain't happening with 3K attendance and average ticket price south of $50.
  18. unspoken

    unspoken Member

    There were numbers that came out on Twitter that said the paid attendance for their game in the finals was around 3600 for a dollar value of around $78,000. So if they did actually hit the 7600 number claimed, over half the crowd was there on a free ticket. And if Ludacris charged his regular appearance fee, the dollar amount didn't even cover that.

    While most teams in the league raised prices for their playoff games, Georgia actually dtopped theirs by 30-40% from regular season prices depending on where you sat.

    There have been comparisons made to the Rush and how having a championship will increase attendance. I don't buy it. The Rush in their first season in Saskatoon had a gradual build over the year they were a contender, starting from 9200 in the first game building up to the 15,000 sellouts. Georgia didn't have much of a build at all, at least until playoffs which involved giveaways, discounts, and bringing in a famous performer to get that increase. They can't do that every game.
  19. Vin

    Vin Well-Known Member

    In my NLL experience, this "While most teams in the league raised prices for their playoff games," was never the case. Usually it was the same or less because playoffs are short notice and so you need more walkup.
  20. unspoken

    unspoken Member

    Saskatchewan did for sure. My tickets, normally 55 if you buy them from ticketmaster, were 66 for playoffs. I don't know about the level of the increase but both Rock and Mammoth fans were saying theirs went up as well on Twitter.

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